Montag, 15. September 2014


Zum Thema der Beziehung ohne Vorstellung, Liebe ohne Zeit, finde ich eine Passage bei Jiddu Krishnamurti:
Krishnamurti, Jidu (1971): Change without analysis. Amsterdam 1971. (Audio). Krishnamurti foundation. Online verfügbar unter http://www.jkrishnamurti.com/audios/AM71T/AM71T1_www.jkrishnamurti.org.mp3, zuletzt aufgerufen am 15.09.2014.

To look at your wife or your husband or your friend and so on, without the image –, for the image that you have about another and the image you have about yourself: this image prevents total perception, right? If I have a wife or a girlfriend or if I am homosexual, I have an image, don’t I, about my wife or a girl. I have built that image trough many days, through many years, or through couple of weeks. What takes place in that relationship builds that image. Don’t you know this, you look all so astonished, don’t you have images about somebody, the politician, the priest, the wife, the husband, the boy, the girl? And through that image you look at each other, right?
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And so what takes place: the image is the past. The image that has been put together by thought, through pleasure, pain, insult, flattery and all that goes on in relationship. So observation takes place through an image. The observer is the image, Now, when you look at a tree, you’re looking at that tree through the image that you have about the tree. Now, what takes place? There is the image, there is the fact: There is the distance between you and the tree. The distance is time. So, all that is involved in observing the tree. Similarly, you have an image about your friend or your wife; you have an image, and she has. You have not only an image about her or him, but also you have an image about yourself. So, through all these images you look at each other.
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And therefore there is space, time, and therefore there is no relationship at all. You may stick together in bed, but you have your own images about yourself, your problems, your ambitions, your greed, and she has hers. So there is no relationship at all, except through an image. And so, can you observe without the image? The image being the past. So, can you observe yourself, your conditioning, without the image about that conditioning: that you must get rid of, that you must concrete, that you must put aside, you must oppress? You are following all this?
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So, can you look at your conditioning without time as the past, time being the word, the justification, the condemnation and so on? Can you observe without any of that? Don’t say no! Because you have never tried it. If you say no, you’re finished, you have blocked yourself, you make it impossible to yourself when you say I can’t do it. If you cannot do it, then you have no love at all.
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There is that quality of love in which time is not. Love is timeless, love is not the past. When you say: it’s not possible, I can’t do, can’t observe life without the image, then next time don’t say I love you, don’t tell somebody I love you, it doesn’t mean a thing. It is possible, is absolutely necessary to observe without the image or images. Then you will see that your conditioning all together disappears. It is the observer who is conditioned, not the observed. So, you approach your problems, whatever they be, with a conclusion, with a formula, with previous knowledge, and therefore you divide yourself as the examiner, the analyzer, the observer, the thing that is observed, analyzed. Whereas, if you can observe without the past, then you will see; there is no conditioning at all. You are free to observe. And so it is possible to change radically without analysis.

1 Kommentar:

Rainer H hat gesagt…

"And so what takes place: the image is the past" Das ist m.E. grundsätzlich eine interessante Darstellung und Fähigkeit von moderneren "östlichen" Lehrern und Philosophen: Einen anderen, scheinbar mir vertrauten Menschen ohne Bild, ohne Geschichte und Vergangenheit anschauen, wahrnehmen und begegnen zu können; die Fähigkeit, vollständig im Jetzt sein zu können, die Identifizierung mit den eigenen, stets ähnlichen Gedankenmustern (die sich zwischen dem Anderen und mich schieben) zu lockern, bzw. loszulassen.

Über die innere Verwandtschaft/Nähe von Eckhart und östlicher Philosophie gibt es inzwischen (wie ich finde erfreulicherweise) eine Vielzahl an Publikationen. Ich schätze es durchaus, mich neben der metaphysischen Tiefe Eckharts, mit den häufig psychologischen, leichter zugänglichen Gedanken von Krishnamurti oder ähnlichen Autoren zu verbinden - das eine kann das andere fruchtbar inspirieren.